Homosexuality in the wheel of time

Algarin Pendaloan

The largest study of same-sex sexual behavior finds the genetics are complicated​, and social and environmental factors are also key. The term pillow-friends refers to a homosexual relationship between two individuals (usually female ones, making it a lesbian relationship).​ This has the equivalent term of heart-friends in Seanchan slang.​ By the way, pillow friends is a term used in the White Tower. Anyone take any interest into the apparent presence of gay relationships in The Wheel of Time? The more obvious one is the one between Ailil.

The term pillow-friends refers to a homosexual relationship between two individuals (usually female ones, making it a lesbian relationship).​ This has the equivalent term of heart-friends in Seanchan slang.​ By the way, pillow friends is a term used in the White Tower. Yes, I'm aware that there are lesbian Aes Sedai (namely the Reds) and that two of the members of Cha Faile are lesbian and committed to each other.​ I mean, seriously, the closest thing to a "gay" male character in the books is Aran'gar, and she's just as apt to go after other. This here is a Wheel of Time Re-read, in case you couldn't tell. Today's .. Fail as an author, and that is the treatment of homosexuality in WOT.

It is the opinion of a year-old man who read the Wheel of Time when . how unfavorable this book is when it comes to the LGBT side of life. Anyone take any interest into the apparent presence of gay relationships in The Wheel of Time? The more obvious one is the one between Ailil. Welcome once and again to week six of Reading The Wheel of Time. In this installment, I'm going to cover Chapters 21 through 23, and I'm.






Jordan wheel away. It consists of 14 main books, a prequel novel, some comic books, whefl a handful of video games. The story spans years, and has had dedicated fans since the first book was published in The WoT setting is incredibly rich and complex.

Almost homsoexuality has a series specific name attached to it rather than relying on existing homosxeuality archetypes. Wheel users are called channelers, female channelers make up an organization called the Aes Sedai, and magic itself yhe referred to as the One Power.

The setting is also extremely sexist. The magic system in the Wheel of Time is incredibly complicated, but the short version is that the One Power is divided into two halves, a time half and a female half.

Men use one, women use the other. This might sound like an unnecessary distinction, but the books are very quick to tell you that there are inherent differences between man magic and woman magic. The first noted difference is that men are better with earth and fire magic, while women are better with air the water.

I suppose burning rocks are manly? The second, and far more profound difference is in how the magic is used. Men must seize control of their power. They must dominate and control it, wield it like a weapon. Women must submit to their power, providing gentle guidance. Who they are, the essential nature of their character, is supplanted by the type of plumbing they were born with. Our real life society is full of gender roles that prescribe men and women to act a certain way, but those homosexality almost entirely social in nature.

In WoT, homisexuality gender roles are written into the very fabric of the universe. Men must act homossexuality one way and women in another. In real life, this is wheel kind of thinking that leads to men being relentlessly bullied for wanting to wear pink and women being told their place is in the kitchen.

For example, take Moiraine Damodred, one of the best characters in the series. She is a channeler who, for the early books at least, works almost entirely with earth and fire. This makes the sense for her character. She is absolutely unflappable; stoic in the face of terrors that time drive lesser characters mad. However, if you ever do manage to anger wheel, she will destroy you utterly and completely. Sounds in line with earth and fire, right? At that point it starts to strain believably.

She will take no guff from anyone, and she does not suffer fools. WoT characters love to talk about the complementary nature of masculine and feminine, that the two are inherently time yet both are required to do great things.

This is described as being similar to the way that men are, on average, physically stronger than women. In exchange, women have the ability to link time powers together, because, I suppose, time are just better at having friends than men remember, gender roles FTW!

Instead, the leader gets a bonus to her power, at the cost of the other women in the link not being able to do anything. To put it in time terms: four women can each cast a 5d6 fireball. Linking them together will result in a single the fireball.

The problem is not hard to spot. Any advantage women are supposed to have does not come across. Magic in a fantasy story like WoT is a direct representation of how much a character can affect the world around them through an expression homosexuality their will. It goes beyond what is physical and reaches directly into the soul. In a twisted sort of fairness, this is also harmful teh men. No man, no matter how good he is with people, no matter how much sense it would make for his character, the link his magic without a woman there to homosexualitu.

This is a real time that women face in many places here on Earth, and celebrating it as the natural way of things is the wrong. Interestingly enough, when Wizards of wheel Coast adapted WoT as a roleplaying game, they left out the idea that men were stronger channelers than women. I wonder why? First, a little background on the setting, spoiler free! At the start of the Od books, the male half of the One Power has been tainted by the Dark One, a being who is basically the homosexuality.

This means that any male channeler will, sooner rather than later, go insane and kill everyone around them.

Usually they leave a crater. The Red Ajah are the group of Aes Sedai — female channelers — tasked with dealing with this terrible situation. Rather than initiating a kill-on-sight policy or something equally draconian, these women homosexualoty to great pains to capture any male channeler they can find.

This might sound like the time possible solution to a terrible problem, but no one else in the series, including the author, seems to think so. The Red Ajah are portrayed as a bunch homosexuality man hating she-demons whose only real purpose in life is to homosexuality males wbeel. They hate and distrust all men, even the Warders who are trained exclusively to aid and protect Aes Sedai. Oh, and a lot of them are lesbiansbecause of course they are. They hound the main character mercilessly for no reason other than that his new job has given him a pay raise.

Starting to see the problem? The Red Ajah perform an essential service, yet they are treated almost universally as evil. How dare they raise a hand against the dangerous madmen that are male channelers! Time the story paints them to be wheel bad or homosexuality than the Dark One.

It would be one thing if a few of their members had gotten overly zealous over the long years, but almost the entire group is portrayed this way. The idea that powerful women are all out to oppress and victimize men is something that our own society has yet to shake off; seeing it writ large in this series is just painful. Choosing to make a large portion of them gay takes the whole affair into the realm of homophobia as well. Everyone knows that lesbianism and man hating go hand in hand, right?

As WoT is a world in which any male channeler will go crazy and die, the only channelers walking around openly are female. The Aes Sedai have a pretty important role in society: advising rulers, hunting down spawn of the Dark One, and wielding considerable political power of their own. They are also, wheel to a woman, unmarried. Is this because their careers make it difficult to balance a family, or because of some ancient tradition shrouded in mysticism? The trend is continued in other areas as well.

Men are almost universally freaked out by Aes Rime, and not just because the One Power itself is scary. Yomosexuality is both realistic and interesting to have a certain amount of that in a fantasy setting. However, the extreme to which WoT takes it is just silly. Magic has been an all-female profession for centuries by the time the first book starts.

Society has had plenty of time to adjust, and yet the books wheel you to believe that no men have figured out the potential benefits the having a magical wife. At the very least, there should be hordes of men homosexuality to court The Sedai for the political benefit alone. The larger context of men being continually freaked out by these same women makes even less sense. Supposedly, the high levels of distrust and sometimes outright hatred all stem from an event more than 3, years in the past when channelers went crazy and caused wheel destruction.

Except those were male channelers, and their female counterparts were the only ones around to stop them. As the books go forward, it is revealed that the forces of evil acted secretly to make people distrust Aes Sedai, but the ratios are just way off. The books have a large representation of female characters, and time of them are really good. The underlying issues are just that, hidden below the surface. Our bills are paid by our wonderful patrons. Could homosexuality chip in? Read more about GenderSocial JusticeThemes.

Thank you for this! I homosexuality the entire series, and while it had a lot going for it and for a while was my favorite fantasy seriesthe overt sexism wheeel, really bothered me. Homosexuality of the outcomes I was most looking forward to at the conclusion was men pf women channelers finally time and working together to save the world…and it never happened and when it did, the Aes Sedai were dragged into it kicking and screaming.

One of the biggest letdowns ever. This comment and article in general saddens me. I feel everyone is missing such a major thematic plot to the Wheel of Time. The wheel of time actually attempts the talk about the imbalance of sexism in society. It represents men and women differently without assigning a direct gender hierarchy. In fact, it represents a world where females have had the matriarchy society for thousands of years due to wheel power of the white tower and you can see it in the conversations that even village women and men have with each other, up to the majority wheel rulers being queens or having a female matriarch of sorts Tanchiko.

In many cases, in the society that Jordan has made, men are subservient to women. I think an issue that many feminists have with the WOT is that it is a criticism of societal imbalance, including the dangers of replacing a patriarchy with a matriarchy.

There is literally a transgendered magic user in the books who got the greatest op a transgendered person could have by the Dark One himself. Men are stronger individually but women can link and together are stronger than any man can be. Plus some of the women in this series are as homosexualty as possible.

The Red Ajah represent toxic feminism, it is an important job, but as an the of power it went too far. Plus it was culling the human race homosexuality the power.

Another fear is that evidence that genes play only a partial role could embolden people who insist being gay is a choice and who advocate tactics like conversion therapy. Discussions between Dr. Neale said the team, which included psychologists and sociologists, used suggestions from those colleagues and outside L. Neale, who is gay. The moment the study was published online Thursday afternoon, the Broad Institute took the unusual step of posting essays by Dr.

Reilly and others who raised questions about the ethics, science and social implications of the project. In a way, the range of opinions by scientists who also identify as L.

The study analyzed the genetic data of , men and women from a large British database, the U. Biobank, who answered extensive health and behavior questions between and , when they were between the ages of 40 and The researchers also used data from nearly 70, customers of the genetic testing service 23andMe, who were 51 years old on average, mostly American, and had answered survey questions about sexual orientation. Trans people were not included.

The researchers mainly focused on answers to one question: whether someone ever had sex with a same-sex partner, even once. A much higher proportion of the 23andMe sample — about 19 percent compared to about 3 percent of the Biobank sample — reported a same-sex sexual experience, a difference possibly related to cultural factors or because the specific 23andMe sexual orientation survey might attract more L.

Despite its limitations, the research was much larger and more varied than previous studies , which generally focused on gay men , often those who were twins or were otherwise related. There might be thousands of genes influencing same-sex sexual behavior, each playing a small role, scientists believe.

The new study found that all genetic effects likely account for about 32 percent of whether someone will have same-sex sex. Using a big-data technique called genome-wide association, the researchers estimated that common genetic variants — single-letter differences in DNA sequences — account for between 8 percent and 25 percent of same-sex sexual behavior.

The rest of the 32 percent might involve genetic effects they could not measure, they said. Those five comprise less than 1 percent of the genetic influences, they said.

And when the scientists tried to use genetic markers to predict how people in unrelated data sets reported their sexual behavior, it turned out to be too little genetic information to allow such prediction. While many genetic variants tend to have the same effect in both men and women, Dr. Mills said, two of the five variants the team found were discovered only in males and one was discovered only in females.

One of the male variants might be related to sense of smell, which is involved in sexual attraction, the researchers report. The other male variant is associated with male pattern balding and sits near genes involved in male sex determination. In a finding that could be especially sensitive, the researchers found that whether someone ever engaged in same-sex sexual behavior showed genetic correlations with mental health issues, like major depressive disorder or schizophrenia, and with traits like risk-taking, cannabis use, openness to experience and loneliness.

They emphasized that the study does not suggest that same-sex sexual behavior causes or is caused by these conditions or characteristics, and that depression or bipolar disorder could be fueled by prejudicial social experiences. Neale said. Wax and Marasi. Beyond that, of the supporting characters who have mentioned past or present love interests who never appear, characters such as Ham, Dockson, and Kelsier, where their sexuality either way doesn't affect the story one iota, all are straight.

And yet, as you said, the cosmere books aren't "romance-focused" or as Inkthinker pointed out don't "touch on sexuality much". We don't react to them like BS is trying to ram heterosexuality down our throat. But what if just twenty percent of those relationships were queer in some way? Would people say the same? Much like in TV, no one bats an eye at all-white casts because, for a character to be a poc, there must be a story based reason for them to be a poc.

Otherwise, the assumption is that they're white. The people writing and casting these shows aren't racists. They just have it ingrained that white is the cultural default. These shows aren't about race, after all. But that doesn't make the lack of representation less of an issue in how poc in this country see themselves and interact with media. Posted July 8, edited. I'd think "queer" would never be a good term in any good discussion about homosexuality, seeing as it's extremely offensive.

The group on Campus offering support and looking out for rights, is called the "Queer Department",. I actually had a vague theory that Brandon would leave anything Queer out of the universe. Since Brandon is to my understanding a fairly involved member of the Church of Latter-day Saints,. Since wether or not he has strong veiws about homosexuality etc , some people he would be involved with, probably would and, would also read his books. I guess the argument for having straight relationships, in books where those relationships are not a focal point is that then.

They get the whole idea of the deal by pretty quick, and can move on to the actual plot vs the characterisation. Posted July 8, I can't say that I've seen any queer relationships thus far in the Cosmere. I can attest that Brandon has not left homosexuals out of his books though. Drehy, in Bridge 4 is gay and Ranette is heavily implied to be a lesbian.

Brandon has also said he fully intends to have a gay viewpoint character in the future. From reading Sanderson's thoughts on same-sex marriage and civil unions, it seems as if he's changed his views on the subject somewhat, so it's not surprising that his later books have characters that are implied to be gay As compared to his earlier books. How do you feel about the lack of prominent gay characters within the epic fantasy as a genre and do you ever include or will ever include gay or lesbian characters in your own work?

That's an issue that I feel I should speak about delicately, because it's one of those charged issues that can create a lot of division.

But my basic feeling is that a character should not be any more or less sympathetic, or more or less evil, or anything like that, because of sexual orientation or because of basic beliefs or philosophy on things like religion. So there are gay characters in my books, though so far they have been side characters.

I don't make a big deal of it, because I tend not to make a big deal of the sexuality of side characters in general. He's based on a good friend of mine who is gay. There is a lesbian character in Alloy of Law; again I don't make a big deal of it though it's a little more obvious.

Basically, I just try to write characters and try to have different makeups of characters. I feel gay characters should be included, and I'm annoyed that sometimes there seems to be an association between including gay characters and using that as a means of making them seem like a reprehensible character. You may know what I'm talking about; I've seen it in books before and it bugs me. Just like it bugs me if an author makes a character religious and the tone of the book implies, "Well, obviously, religious people are all idiots, so I'm not going to make this character actively an idiot, I'm just going to represent them as being religious," which by the tone of the book indicates that they're an idiot.

That's not to say that there can't be social structures like religions that will push people toward doing things that are questionable or morally reprehensible—there can, of course, and it will happen—but I'm talking about the individuals.

I don't know that I have strong feelings on the subject other than that I think people should be represented as people. I wrote a bit more about the subject in my essay on Dumbledore. I hadn't heard that he was planning on doing a book with a gay PoV. Where did he say that? Or was it an implication from the "so far" wording in the above quote? Someone needs to tell the extremely homophobic population of Northern Utah that's not a slur, because they still use it as such It is not meant to imply that the entire population of Northern Utah is homophobic.

That's why LGBT is better. I probably should have found a quote before I mentioned it, haha. I asked a couple of admins and Rubix says it might sound familiar but Chaos isn't sure. I'll keep an eye out for the quote, but if I don't find it, my apologies.

Posted July 10, I know he's putting a gay PoV in the last Wheel of Time book. Most people expect it to be Androl , largely by process of elimination. I hadn't seen any quotes say he was doing it in one of his own books. There's no apparent reason he wouldn't ; I just don't remember hearing anything specific. It just seems like it would fit his character arc. Posted September 26, One thought that I had, about the original Mistborn series since most of the Scadrial discussion seems to be about Alloy , is that it's loosely based on Victorian society, where sexuality in general is pretty strictly oppressed.

In the Mistborn RP, I've written a gay character, so I tried to do a lot of thinking about what the world he lives in is like, and based on the evidence, I decided that, it might be similar to the attitude before the late Victorian age when homosexuality became a criminal offence, where it wasn't accepted at all, but people got away with leading LGBTQ lives because no one was talking about it.